Embodiment for the Rest of Us – Season 4, Episode 12: Season 4 Wrap-Up
Thursday, April 17, 2025
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up season 4 by reviewing their words of the year for 2024 and 2025, renewed invitations for unmasking while recording, re-commitments to anti-oppression, and season 5 coming in 2026!
Content Warning: Mention of the multiple genocides occurring globally
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
A few highlights:
2:06: Chavonne and Jenn discuss their words for 2024 and 2025
3:22: Jenn and Chavonne share how these words have shown up in their lives and the podcast
10:41: Chavonne and Jenn discuss cultural shifts in embodiment, including a re-commitment to anti-oppressive direction
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Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
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CAPTIONS
Season 4 Episode 12 is 31:22 (31 minutes and 22seconds) long.
Jenn: Welcome to our 4th season of the Embodiment for the Rest of Us podcast, a series exploring topics and intersections that exist in fat, queer, and disability liberation (and beyond!!)! You can consider this an anti-oppressive and generative space full of repair and intention.
Chavonne: In this podcast, we interview those with lived experience and professionals alike to learn how they are affecting radical change and how we can all make this world a safer and more welcoming place for all humans who are historically and currently marginalized and should be centered, listened to, and supported.
Jenn: Captions and content warnings are provided in the show notes for each episode, including specific time stamps, so that you can skip triggering content any time that feels supportive to you! This podcast is a representation of our co-host and guest experiences and may not be reflective of yours. These conversations are not medical advice, and are not a substitute for mental health or nutrition support.
Chavonne: In addition, the conversations held here are not exhaustive in their scope or levels of inquiry. These topics, these perspectives are not complete and are always in process. These are just highlights! Just like posts on social media, individual articles, or any other podcast – this is just a snapshot of the full picture.
Jenn: We are always interested in any feedback on this process, especially if you feel something needs to be addressed. We invite you to email us at Listener@EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs.com with any comments, requests, or concerns.
[1:44]
Chavonne (she/her):
Hello and welcome to our wrap up of season four of the Embodiment For The Rest Of Us podcast. Can you believe it’s been that long? We can’t.
Jenn (she/they):
I definitely can’t.
Chavonne (she/her):
Really cannot. No.
[2:06]
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah, we’ve made a lot of changes this season, including a much needed break from July to November at the end of 2024, so life could just keep happening. We noticed that a lot of the changes that we’ve made or noticed around our podcast relate to our words of the year for both last year, 2024, and this year, 2025. Let’s explore that. Chavonne, what is your word of the year for 2024 and 2025?
Chavonne (she/her):
My words for 2024 and 2025. So 2024 was attunement, and this year was renewal. And they, props to Jenn for actually remembering what the heck my words were. That’s how the years [inaudible] going.
Jenn (she/they):
Yay. I took a screen cap. And thank you for remembering and sending me, I think it’s Morgan Harper Nichols again this year. It’s a post put up at the beginning of every year on their Instagram, and you can take a screen cap and that’s your word of the year, and we use that both years. So yeah, I took a screen cap.
Chavonne (she/her):
How about you? What are your words for the two years?
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah, so 2024, my word was resonance, that came up in the screen cap. And then I added functional during our conversation at the beginning of this season, because that’s what was resonating. And then for 2025 this year, my word is, rooted.
[3:22]
Chavonne (she/her):
Oh, I love that word. I love how these words are so parallel with each other, these conversations and our journeys as we learn and unlearn deeper and further with each new season of this podcast. We noticed a few sticky challenging moments this season, such as when to pause, when to adapt, when to let go, when to let in. Let’s talk about it.
Jenn (she/they):
Yes. Okay. I love this. Thank you to pass me for writing these because I love it. I love this invitation. I feel like I have my words and then I have sort of surrogate words that are yours. Something I was noticing and reflecting about this, is that all of these words resonate about, I don’t know, sloughing off what’s not. We’re like, we tried it, let’s not do that again. Those sorts of things. And then also what feels the right kind of expansive for us, what feels like a match. So matching to things like our words like attunement, renewal, resonance and rooted.
And especially resonance, was such an important word last year and yours, attunement. What do we need to tune into? What do we need to tune out of and what really resonates? And just go from there, really doing things from our gut. And I really enjoyed that.
Our own embodiment journeys, as we listen to embodiment journeys, and how simple, I mean, it’s always this way for us, but how simple it is, just be like, yeah, let’s just not do that. Let’s check in again. But that doesn’t sound like what we’re doing anymore. Those sorts of, it’s adjusting, but it really feels like accommodation, I think, which is just special and cool. And I mean, there’s not a lot of spaces like that, so I just appreciate that with you.
And then our words for this year, renewal and rooted, both feel new. We were just talking before we started recording, I bought a bunch of bulbs. I’m going to plant them in the front planter, and I’m just going to watch these flowers grow. And I’m so blooming, growing, not just planting seeds, but something different has been happening this past season of changing the way we phrase things. I was thinking about our interviews with Rachel Fox and really naming Fat Phobias-
Chavonne (she/her):
[inaudible].
Jenn (she/they):
No to Rachel. At PhD as really about anti-fatness is the thing to name. Fatness is the thing trying to be eliminated. And fat people. So what is that like? Which just feels like more of our praxis, how we’re already acting, where we’re already going, what we’re already doing. There’s always a natural flow to what you and I do, which is just so wonderful and lovely and I’m so, right from the second we started talking to each other, which I just love.
But there’s something exciting both about your word renewal and my word rooted. And also we’re not going to do that until 2026 and it’s only April right now. And I love that, right? It’s renewal and rooted, but it doesn’t have to be right now. The urgency isn’t there. I am really, right now in this moment in my body, appreciating that. And how about for you? What are you noticing?
Chavonne (she/her):
Ditto. Next. Just kidding. No, I am absolutely in agreement with you. I feel like you said, since the minute we met, we felt so in tune and I feel attuned, but I feel like we’re often on the same journeys. There’s awful easily ebb and flow and different directions every once in a while while we always are along the same path.
And it’s funny, I was thinking about rooted and when I think about, even though that’s not my word, when I think about rooting myself, I’m like, oh, I need to talk to Jen Moore. That roots me, honestly.
Jenn (she/they):
That’s exactly, that’s how I would feel about you.
Chavonne (she/her):
And there’s so much love there. It’s not that we’re not fighting a promise, it’s that we’re busy humans and life just [inaudible] gets in the way, and finding my renewal has been always coming back to what makes me, me. And Jenn, you were part of that, so I’m really happy for that. But yeah, I think you’re-
Jenn (she/they):
Part of me too, of course.
Chavonne (she/her):
But I love the word, accommodations. And I think we’ll talk about it more when we come back next year. Absolutely. We’re so excited about, but really want to dig more and just feel like disability activism and disability awareness. I definitely need to do some learning and unlearning, just being very honest about that.
Jenn (she/they):
Me too, me too. And always, I feel like always, there’s a lot for me to do that I can see, but also I bet there’s just going to be more and more and more. Yeah.
Chavonne (she/her):
100%. 100%. But yeah, I think these words are perfect. And when I think of renewal, I like to pull my card, like pull my tarot cards at the beginning of the year. I’m like, focus on. I just love it. It’s great. It’s a fun process and joy came up a lot. And to me that is renewal for me. It’s finding those things that make me feel renewed and bringing myself back to that place of joy. So easy to get stuck in the muck.
This year has been doing the most as anyone in the States knows, anyone who brings attention to the news in the States knows, and beyond, obviously, because there’s so many multiple genocides and so much happening, climate change, et cetera, et cetera. But I’m just thinking of right now, American society in politics, it’s really hard to find renewal right now. So I am grateful that we’re both working to feel more renewed and more rooted in the midst of all of this function.
Jenn (she/they):
Oh, I love the way you said that. That was so great. Okay. I love that. And I love that you gave a little nod to joy there, because joy feels like the resistance I can do all the time, is to reframe something to joy or find the joy or make a plan for joy or experience the joy, whatever it’s going to be.
Chavonne (she/her):
For joy permission. That’s been a huge one lately.
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah. And to keep, it reminds me of black joy because there is white people like myself reading a lot of books about black history, black writers, black movements, black poetry. And a lot of it is, either is or is very close to trauma porn, it’s really sitting in learning, but because of the pain of someone else. Something I’ve been really loving is black joy. This was an invitation. There was an invitation previously for my therapist, but there was also just, I don’t know, it feels like a general invitation to find joy everywhere, including in the places that I’ve been unlearning.
And this is not like a pat on the back to me or a nod to me. I’m just really appreciating joy and really appreciating making space for joy, because I think I miss it. I think I’ve missed a lot of joy in a lot of directions, including black joy by just not paying attention. And so I want to pay more attention.
Chavonne (she/her):
I love that. Paying attention. Absolutely.
[10:41]
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah, I love that. So we’ve been noticing, so we really started with embodiment journeys and we’ve added deep dives where people come back and we just go deeper into the topic or topics of interest, question topics of the current moment, or what research they’re doing. Again, a nod to Rachel. Rachel, I’m just thinking about you today in this episode.
And there’s a cultural shift that we have been making, the culture that you and I make together, but there’s also lots of cultural shifts. There’s environmental shifts. I mean, there’s basically shifts in every direction. What isn’t shifting noticeably right now in real time, is also part of a great reason for renewal and rootedness. But also as you were talking about, making sure that we’re unlearning about ableism and learning about disability, including our own, right. That’s something we had talked about at the beginning of the season too.
And in the conversations we’ve already had, anti-oppression or liberation, basically describing the same thing. One is what we’re not going towards and one is what we’re going towards. But that has been extremely valuable. And we’ve also been really considering intersectionality, but inside of the matrix of domination, how does intersectionality push someone down? Not just what’s around, what feels uncomfortable, or what is hard generally speaking, but what is pushing people? How are you supposed to have anything available to you, and still interested in them. Not like they’re a project, but again, making sure I notice these things. And holding space where I am someone who notices that feels really important. A goal for myself, for example.
So what do you think? What do I mean? There’s so many other things like wow, embodiment has a thousand definitions or more, I think, because it’s always been different. All those things float up too, but that’s the first thing.
Chavonne (she/her):
Yeah, I completely agree. And I think a part of that for me is how, it’s even in your question. Again, great questions always, but the continued embodiment journey, it’s not this destination. And I feel like the more I know, the more I learn. The more I unlearn, the more of my embodiment process needs to shift. And that’s really even coming up for me and all of the deep dives we’ve done, especially, I’m thinking a lot about Imani Barbarin right now, and-
Jenn (she/they):
Me too.
Chavonne (she/her):
When I was listening to that interview again, and all of my responses was like, oh, that sucks, and I want to know more. I want to know more I can do. And that’s not putting that on Imani. Obviously it’s showing me how much all of my spheres of not knowing and all the things I need to learn. But I think that’s part of my cultural shift is also knowing that I need to learn more.
But I’m thinking about that recommitment to anti-oppressive 100%. I think it’s so easy to talk about the things that I’m a part of, but I really want to keep learning how my own privilege sits within that, and how I can use my privilege to help speak for people more marginalized than me. And also just being aware of that matrix of domination and how things are getting pushed down in ways that don’t even click for me until someone tells me about it. So I think that that’s a really big part of embodiment for me, and that’s why I love deep dives. I mean, I love the what is embodiment to you. Obviously that’s a really important question, but sometimes it’s just so fun to get down and dirty with it in a way that I hadn’t even thought about it.
So it’s just, yeah, that cultural shift is a continuous, I don’t think there’s no destination, and I actually really appreciate that process right now. I don’t know if I’m doing it.
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah, I don’t don’t know if I ever want a destination, I’ll just have to figure out something else to do with you. And that also reminded me of our conversation with Nikki, the one before this one, that really had this flow and exploration to it That really resonated to think of my word from 2024. It really resonated, but also I got really rooted in that conversation. I’ve been feeling rooted since that conversation. But that was just a couple of months ago. And there was just something really lovely.
And when I re-listened to it, there was a point where I could hear for each of us, we all had a moment of recognizing something, but we didn’t say it out loud. And that’s the first time I’ve ever noticed that in an episode, and I just thought that was so interesting. I wonder what I was noticing.
Chavonne (she/her):
I couldn’t tell you.
Jenn (she/they):
I don’t know. I noticed something while I was listening again, but I don’t think that was the same thing. But I just thought that was, even being so rooted in the moment. We’re also listening to a conversation that is about a moment, but it changes over time because I’m not rooted the same about that conversation.
Chavonne (she/her):
Yeah.
Jenn (she/they):
And it’s just really interesting. It gave me ideas for new questions for next season. Of course, that’s what I listened for is what question could be here. It’s a special interest of mine to find questions. I love questions. I’m like, I have a question. But it was a really… Also back, I love that you brought up joy because this was a really joyful season.
Chavonne (she/her):
It was.
Jenn (she/they):
The way that we-
Chavonne (she/her):
I hadn’t even thought of it that way.
Jenn (she/they):
It wasn’t our first time asking for guests that terrified us. It was our third time. The first season wasn’t as much terrifying. Everything was terrifying actually, now that I think about it. Sorry to pass me, I was not giving myself any credit for going through all that terrifying stuff.
Chavonne (she/her):
It’s very… Yeah.
Jenn (she/they):
It’s really, like I felt really perceived in asking those questions. And then when we really started asking for that, were like, we want to know what they have to say about this topic, and then whatever they would like to share with us, because I just love the way they talk about stuff and think about stuff. I just want more of that. This was a season of joy, but also that feeling of more.
And when I think of that too, that reminds me of your word renewal, like perennial plants, the bulbs I was talking about earlier that just keep coming back over and over again. Like renewal but not as a one-off. And that also feels interesting. I was talking with a client earlier today about rest and I was like, yeah, I used to think it was just like that Victorian-style rotting. Or what I see some of my younger counterparts on TikTok and other places calling fermenting, which I think is so great. I’m like, that’s right. It doesn’t feel like rotting. It feels like fermenting, just becoming what you are. Kind of nature of rest.
Chavonne (she/her):
Love fermented [inaudible].
Jenn (she/they):
Me too.
Chavonne (she/her):
I’m just like, yeah, just keep this going. Yeah.
Jenn (she/they):
Effervescent, bubbly, fermented foods, please get in my mouth. Yes, absolutely. So that word, renewal, is starting. It’s kind of sitting for me just as we’re talking right now that’s sitting for me there. I love these words. I love that they both start with R, There’s all sorts of stuff that I can find about them. I don’t know, they just feel nice. And that feels good because we are still in a giant shitshow that is the United States that is actually Turtle Island, so-called United States in occupied Tiwa territory in so-called Albuquerque in so-called New Mexico. And it’s a really hard place and time, and I’m not directly affected quite yet. I don’t think I’ll probably be last or near last. So I mean, there’s things that inconvenience me or make me uncomfortable, but there’s no one coming for me at this moment.
And I’m trying to use that, the fact that that’s not happening to hold space for other people. And so I’m getting just highlights, but it’s horrible. But I’m not getting highlights like my nervous system knows where I am and what’s happening, and that’s awful. And so to just, I don’t know, find renewal and rooted and have it feel like fermenting, and have a nice break and then come back in the fall and start planning the next season. That all just sounds really nice. It’s taking its time.
I mean maybe this whole thing is fermenting. It’s just, you’re renewal, I’m rooted, and the podcast is fermented or fermenting. I’m giving the podcast a word. I love that. So it’s just feeling really good. It’s feeling really good to touch base in here and reflect on the season as it always does. I also noted that I didn’t feel this need to just go back and check every conversation. Because I always listen to our episode again, but I wasn’t trying to study for our recap.
Chavonne (she/her):
Yeah, that’s very different for us. We have a, like [inaudible].
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah, yeah. Point by point by point. And we’ve really started the end of the season. It has changed when we’re reflecting. It used to be another, it’s not a long thing to me, but we just like to talk a lot, and that’s not a problem. But it can just kind of be, I don’t know, it speaks for itself, so why add a bunch of extra stuff? I’m just enjoying just noticing it and sitting with you and there’s not that urgency. There’s so much urgency. I’m just enjoying that there isn’t any in here.
Chavonne (she/her):
Yeah. One place in our that don’t feel right now, is a very welcome thing.
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah. Yeah. I hope you all are listening, can find some fermentation, can find some lack of urgency, can find some rest that’s not just fermentation or rotting, but just moments and times of rest too. I mean, I’m really enjoying humor. There is nothing that I am a sponge for during stressful times, like humor, especially.
Chavonne (she/her):
One hundred percent.
Jenn (she/they):
Dark humor. Like how can we just be ridiculous in this moment? So I hope everyone’s finding some ridiculousness or whatever brings you some release because it’s nice for the moment.
Chavonne (she/her):
Embracing the absurd. That’s really [inaudible]
Jenn (she/they):
Oh, embracing the absurd. Oh, that makes it so I-
Chavonne (she/her):
I didn’t realize how much that been a bomb. Another word, the Jim Jackson’s.
Jenn (she/they):
I love.
Chavonne (she/her):
I know you do. We were talking about fundamental spaces before we were on mics. Oh, the Jim Jackson words.
Jenn (she/they):
It’s a good thing that part of the work we do with clients and people we supervise is to repeat things over and over, because that’s how we get things in our heads. Because I love to repeat the same words so that’s great.
Chavonne (she/her):
Me halfway through supervision, I’m like, have we talked about this?
Jenn (she/they):
Sometimes I even switch it to, I probably already talked about this and then I let myself say it again.
Chavonne (she/her):
Yeah, I should do that more. I’m going to try that. Instead of just being like, I’m pretty sure this is the conversation that I don’t think I had in a dream. I think this was real and I think this is happening again.
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah. My grandfather and my partner, they both use that phrase, I probably told you this, and then they just tell it again and I don’t mind. So I don’t mind it.
Chavonne (she/her):
I’m going to try that. Yeah, that’s good. I definitely am doing the same thing.
Jenn (she/they):
You can get interactive and see if you know the details. I actually think it’s really great.
Chavonne (she/her):
Oh, I love that. I’m going to look at it that way. That’s good. That’s really good.
Jenn (she/they):
Love it. Because I’ll repeat myself. I already have probably during this recording probably, I don’t remember, but I probably have.
Chavonne (she/her):
Me too. That’s great. That’s good.
Jenn (she/they):
Embracing the absurd you. You know, that reminds me of the play that goes wrong.
Chavonne (she/her):
Yes. I love that play. It’s so funny. It’s so silly. Yeah. Such a joy. Such a joy.
Jenn (she/they):
I have a young kiddo client who recently discovered Hamilton, right? Hamilton’s problematic. And they’re like, but they have a great parent who they’re like, well, I know it’s not true to history, but I still like it. And I’m like, great.
Chavonne (she/her):
Oh gosh, perfect. Yeah. And I’m still going to cry every time I sing half of those songs. And that’s what it is.
Jenn (she/they):
I still listen to it on a very regular basis, and will continue to do so.
Chavonne (she/her):
And you know what? It’s just what we need right now. I think that’s also important is giving yourself permission to do some things that, it doesn’t have to be perfect. It just has to be okay for you right now.
Jenn (she/they):
Exactly. And if something is comforting, it’s okay to have something be comforting, even if there are larger reasons to question it. Because I don’t think that comforting and intellectually analyzing necessarily need to go in the same place together anyway all the time.
Chavonne (she/her):
100% [inaudible]
Jenn (she/they):
Note to self. My body immediately reacted to that. So note to self, it doesn’t have to be, we don’t have to take ourselves so seriously all the time. It is so serious out there in the world, in our lives already. It doesn’t have to all be the most serious thing. Those are still going to be serious. So Jenn’s personal opinion here, there’s already so serious. I find that I can follow that flow really easily. Thank you to trauma in my life and being in survival mode and the other things that make that super easy, full of strategies.
It’s a pretty big act of rebellion that my body and I might find a different space than that. So it’s okay. It’s Okay. Again, note to self, my body’s responding really strongly to this part.
Chavonne (she/her):
I can feel my body’s like, it is okay that you forgot a metal straw and you had to be, but come on.
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah. Yeah. If a paper straw grosses you out, it grosses me out and it just crumbles into nothingness after three steps. Take it out, put a different one in.
Chavonne (she/her):
I can’t.
Jenn (she/they):
That’s so funny. I just found these silicone ones. I really like them ,and I can play around with it and move. I actually really enjoy the whole sensory experience of it. Because the metal ones ding. Do they clink, clinkity, clink. And I like glass.
Chavonne (she/her):
[inaudible] for a clink. I need to just be making noise at all times. But even though I’m like, it’s because I’m sound [inaudible] sensory stuff, but I’m mostly the, I can clink.
Jenn (she/they):
You know what I just noticed? We just fell into normal conversation with each other. So everyone, this is how we sound, but I like that. Right?
Chavonne (she/her):
[inaudible].
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah. Talking about renewal and rooted and what it’s embracing, the absurd, all this stuff, our body started responding. That’s what these conversations are like. I get lost in them somewhere, but not like I’m lost to myself, but I don’t have my masks up or do it in the right way. And I was just noticing we’re just looking at each other and talking and I forgot we were recording, all that stuff.
Chavonne (she/her):
Same. And I am done after this because things, but I’m like I, that’s huge. Part of my 2024, ’25 process. People who I’m attracted to or that I lean into more, people I don’t have to mask with. So it’s just been such a huge process for me to just be aware of that, that I don’t have to be on. It’s really important.
Jenn (she/they):
Wow. This feels like a note to us to consider, and maybe talk about this before the next season. Do we have to be so on? I’m on. I’m on. When we’re recording, I am definitely masks on. Not all my masks on, but enough of them on to notice.
Chavonne (she/her):
Recording masks. Like podcasters masks, right?
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah.
Chavonne (she/her):
I’m geeking out fangirling masks. That’s a big one for me. Not fangirling, but I want to, I’m so impressed by you. I don’t want to be too weird. Whatever.
Jenn (she/they):
Maybe we need to get weird.
Chavonne (she/her):
Yeah.
Jenn (she/they):
I love being weird. I really do. I talk about it all the time, but it just hasn’t… Okay. That’s interesting because I just really enjoyed sitting in here chatting with you as I always do. And so I’m just like, huh. What about more of this? All right, so if you’re listening to this and you want more of this, let me know. We’re probably going to do it anyway, but let me know, right?
Chavonne (she/her):
We’re just going to be like, let’s talk it out. Did you watch the last episode of blah blah blah.
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah, let me know.
Chavonne (she/her):
Yeah. Please do.
Jenn (she/they):
And it’s making me curious about embodiment on TV shows. I’ve actually been noticing it a lot recently, including the show Severance. I was like, this is an embodiment analogy.
Chavonne (she/her):
Oh my God. Severance is so good. We have two more episodes and we are-
Jenn (she/they):
Okay. I won’t say anything. Text me when you’re done.
Chavonne (she/her):
Well, I’ll be screaming, I’m sure, because that’s how everything is. [inaudible] I thought it is…
Jenn (she/they):
This is all I’ll say. I think the last episode of the second season is one of the best episodes of television I’ve ever seen. That’s all I’ll say. Like, wow.
Chavonne (she/her):
Also, this is for other listeners. Everything Jenn listens to is the best of everybody.
Jenn (she/they):
We watched Drag Race, repulsed Drag Race together. I’m like, I think this is the best season, but season nine is the best season. I think that’s the one that I was like, no, wait, that was the best one. And now we’re watching Traitors and I’m like every season of Traitors. So two so far. I’m like, that’s the best one.
Chavonne (she/her):
The first one was the best. Okay [inaudible].
Jenn (she/they):
Well in comparison, there is no comparison. Definitely season one.
Chavonne (she/her):
I’m so mad. I’m still angry. Yeah. Now we’re just having a conversation.
Jenn (she/they):
And we do laugh like this. We do ping back and forth this, this is how it always goes. And I loved how you referenced earlier too. It’s not like we don’t get to see each other. We do get to see each other. It’s just not enough for us. We text each other in our heads. I’m like, I have been texting you all week.
Chavonne (she/her):
All the time.
Jenn (she/they):
I thought about it. At first I said, I swear I did. Yeah,.
Chavonne (she/her):
Yeah. I’m, one of my new resolutions, or not a resolution because those don’t always go well, but I’m intending to text more. So yeah, [inaudible].
Jenn (she/they):
No pressure. No pressure either.
Chavonne (she/her):
The world is hard. Throw your phone away.
Jenn (she/they):
I upgraded my phone to a used phone. I didn’t want to do any more Congo violence with a, I was like, okay, fine. I need this for work, but I’m going to go one level higher. I was very proud of myself. Because I like to make impulsive device decisions and I made a very calculated one. But something in this new version, it says, I read a series of texts that I did not, and I need to figure out what’s going on. Because I just realized the other day that I was like, I didn’t even read this one. What’s happening? So I need to figure that out.
Chavonne (she/her):
That’s a good one. I like that. Okay.
Jenn (she/they):
Well you heard it here first. Our intentions are to text more and we’ll see how it goes. No pressure.
Chavonne (she/her):
No pressure. I’m going to try really hard though. Because I love you.
Jenn (she/they):
I love you too. Okay. Well this was fantastic. So much fun. Thank you for being with us with our mask down here at the end. How fun. I feel good about it. It feels nice in my body. That’s why I’m really considering it. Okay.
Noted. Noted for future us, and we can’t wait to share our first interview of season five in 2026. Likely in January.
Chavonne (she/her):
[inaudible].
Jenn (she/they):
Yeah. So hello and goodbye from April 2025, and we’ll catch you next year.
Chavonne (she/her):
Bye.
Jenn (she/they):
Bye.